Hi Peter & Mike, Thanks for your feedback. I also thought it was I. cernua, and was confused by its robustness. After reading the descriptions in full and using a glossary for all the terms unfamiliar to me, I definitely think it is a very robust I. cernua. I have looked also at the seed drawing in Johnson & Brook, I will see if these are ripe enough to collect a couple when I am back up there in a couple of weeks for further analysis. That will hopefully make everything clear. I will let you both know. Thank you both again for your help. I'm sure I will need more help soon. Cheers Matt